I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Ramblin' Pete 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Ramblin' Pete April 27, 2013 Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Dianna Jeanneh Jones Rusty played another decade. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. Mickey loved his Harley. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. =Chuck= October 2, 2005 As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. November 10, 2002 I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. NYB Buff Man, he was a big one. What was the Mets' pennant outlook on any given day in past seasons? bob saunders Poor Mickey. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. NYB Buff Lolich was a fine pitcher. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the October 4, 2006 The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Bartolo Colon etc). But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? September 24, 2005 Shickhaus Franks I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Jim Snedeker They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. Shari As a teenager, he excelled playing in American Legion Baseball and in the Babe Ruth League, setting Oregon state records for strikeouts. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. September 29, 2007 But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Al Lolich was a fine pitcher. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. April 24, 2003 But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? 170 lbs.? October 19, 2011 Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. September 25, 2013 Raymond Malcuit You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. support. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Check out our mickey lolich selection for the very best in unique or custom, handmade pieces from our shops. Mickey loved his Harley. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. Peter Mickey Lolich's Donuts 247Sports 247Sports Home FB Rec FB Recruiting Home News Feed Team Rankings Commitments Decommitments Scheduled Commits Player Rankings Player Search Crystal Ball. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? Cut him some slack. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. Mickey loved his Harley. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. August 11, 2015 And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. So why did you try to destroy the guy? Bartolo Colon etc). Randy Tate Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. March 5, 2006 pete Mickey liked his doughnuts. He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. This has never happened before? April 23, 2003 Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." June 30, 2019 John Bruce Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. End of Line In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. April 30, 2009 The original was in Rochester and that is the one I think opened in the 70s sometime. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. You can't be serious. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. Bob P As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. October 18, 2008 But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Ramblin' Pete But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Bob P But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Yes, Mickey had some great years with the Tigers, no disrespect to him, but acquiring him at the cost of Rusty was one of the Mets' top three bonehead trades. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. October 2, 2005 His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. He started 45 games and completed 29. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. December 20, 2019 Randy Tate However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. He started 45 games and completed 29. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. October 18, 2008 I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. So why did you try to destroy the guy? That's more realistic but generous, I think! August 7, 2018 The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. April 23, 2003 Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. (thankfully returning in '81). July 31, 2002 Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. The point is he made a bad team worse. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Appearancewise, Lolich made Sid Fernandez look like Tom Hall (remember him??) Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. October 19, 2011 I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. NYB Buff April 20, 2002 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. "Never bothers me," Lolich says, smiling. May 9, 2002 According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Really? In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. snook He later came back to play for the Padres. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. April 6, 2012 May 4, 2001 McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Ramblin' Pete But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. A total bust as a Met. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. January 12, 2011 Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. The shop, the second Lolich has owned since 1979, flourishes because of his fame, his garrulous nature, and the baseball souvenirs on display, which later this week will include his own $3,500 replica of the Tigers' 1968 World Series trophy. August 11, 2015 (thankfully returning in '81). Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Bartolo Colon etc). He later resurfaced with the Padres. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Mickey loved his Harley. -. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. July 15, 2016 October 18, 2008 As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Raymond Malcuit Jim Snedeker May 7, 2013 Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. =Chuck= I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Bob P He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Feat Fan feat fan Bartolo Colon etc). pete Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Bobster1985 Jamey Bumbalo Sterling Heights, MI 48314. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Mike B An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. senor ortiz 6'1", 170???? Raymond Malcuit Ramblin' Pete Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Rusty played another decade. Lolich was signed by the Detroit Tigers as an amateur free agent at age 17 on June 30, 1958. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. End of Line April 6, 2012 December 8, 2006 I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. September 25, 2013 Let's understand one thing: this wasn't a "trade" in the traditional sense. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Lolich was an outstanding pitcher who had just experienced an off season in Detroit. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Michael Stephen Lolich is an American former professional baseball player. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. support. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. May 8, 2003 It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. June 11, 2003 So why did you try to destroy the guy? My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. And complaining about how fat he was? February 25, 2003 Joe Figliola But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. That's more realistic but generous, I think! The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. April 27, 2013 His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Jim Snedeker Shickhaus Franks feat fan There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. '', Lolich and his wife, Joyce, left the ball park without answering questions about how the current team compares to Detroit's last pennant winner. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. The point is he made a bad team worse. Tap into Getty Images' global scale, data-driven insights, and network of more than 340,000 creators to create content exclusively for your brand. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. ''I just mind my own business. August 7, 2018 Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? January 12, 2011 I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Shari Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. October 19, 2011 October 4, 2006 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Shickhaus Franks He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. October 4, 2006 Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. September 25, 2013 They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. bob saunders I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. You can't be serious. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. 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